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REPEATING THE ABUSES OF THE CHURCH UNDER THE GUISE OF SUPPORT
REPEATING THE ABUSES OF THE CHURCH UNDER THE GUISE OF SUPPORT
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| Subject: | re: The upcoming MVC meeting and the presence of a catholic priest or other religious representative. |
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| Date: | Sat, 15 May 2010 11:11:35 +1000 |
| From: | john@molestedcatholics.com |
| To: | undisclosed-recipients:; |
re: The upcoming MVC meeting and the presence of a catholic priest or other religious representative.
Recent conversations and the inability to obtain clear information in regards the legality, the criminality, the veracity and the medical veracity of activities of IGFA through simply being brushed aside have resulted in my withdrawing any support for the current program. Whilst many points can be raised in regards this the most important and the most urgent is the issue of the immediate reintroduction of clergy and church into the healing environment of survivors of clergy sexual and other abuses. This is recognized and clearly understood to be highly dangerous and shows a cavalier approach to the well being of those said to be supported. It is of the utmost importance that you ensure you are at a suitable stage in your recovery before you undertake such a huge step. The risks of being re-triggered and re-thrust back into your abuse or extremely high for the most recovered among us. The risk for those who have not had a healthy support is far higher.
>From a support and advocacy perspective this is the most unprofessional and potentially the most damaging in a healing sense that could be thrust upon a survivor of clergy sexual or other abuses. This is not only unprofessional it clearly steps across the ethical boundaries in regards the psychological repair of human beings who have been exposed to almost total abandonment by both their state and their religion. To bring a representative of the organization into this upcoming meeting of a body who has failed and does not yet have any answers is simply yet another comprehensive abuse of trust is clearly and simply unethical and will be psychologically detrimental to the majority of those seeking to overcome the problems brought about by their sexual abuse.
The healing the Catholic church offers is one of re-embracing the church and to offer them forgiveness for our sin of being an available and vulnerable child. Each of us experiences the lifelong harm and the destruction of our relationships, the failure of business ventures and failure in almost all areas of life due to the corrupt practices of the catholic church and those who helped build and maintain the systems which barred us in so many areas of our life along with forcing us to live entirely against our natural instincts of self preservation and in regards bringing up our children safely. Apparently it is assumed that this particular cleric has all the answers and his presence makes you impervious to any further injury.
We each have endured family destruction and the personal agony of having to come to terms with the reality of our lives of the fraud and the deceptions repeatedly used against us and here members are being asked to quickly re-embrace
At this stage in the church's enlightenment in regards its complicity in the wholesale sexual abuse of children whose psychological well being is cast aside in the most cavalier and improper way to serve some purpose other than the protection, the support and the best interest of each individual victim appears to have been resolved sufficiently well in both this clerics mind and the management of IGFA that this poses no danger to those victims present at the meeting.
The Church currently has not acknowledged its role, priest, bishops,cardinals, laity groups, vested interest groups within the church are still all guessing and pointing simply because they do not understand the problem or how to treat victims. None has provided a clear blue-print of recovery as none has defined it beyond this immediate return to your abuser mentality. They do not know what the true step sto a successful journey through the healing process is. All they can offer is to bring you back into the same thing that abused you and your parents and your brothers and sisters and your friends and made them suffer along with all of us. Immoral, unethical and diabolical in the insistence that this can in any way be in the best interest of the victims. There may well be pressing needs at the moment, however risking each and every victims life and their mental condition is not a medically sound or medically appropriate step.
The best interest of survivors is not served through an immediate re-introduction back into the environs of the church and its practices.It is medically and psychologically unsound to expect that a victim in this environment will not encounter psychological triggers or feel intimidated or feel unable to express freely and fully their fears and concerns whilst a member of the clergy sits in the same room. There is no proper plan beyond that in this purported healing process. If this is the healing process on offer by IGFA I strongly recommend that you discuss with your counselor before participating. We all know what the experience of being re-abused and re-dumped back into our abuse is like and how that affects us for months and sometimes years and how it goes on to destroy another part of our lives each time. Ask your counselor if you are ready for this experience and ask them if it is in your best interest to participate at this stage in your recovery.
My own recent experience of that put me off my feet for more than a fortnight. As a result of many past attempts at discussions and understandings and my attempts to obtain answers and information as to the veracity of some circumstances I found myself facing another round of days reeling from the abandonment and the cavalier approach. I disabled the internet service I had been providing to IGFA and informed them that I was out. My reason for doing this is that IGFA are fully aware that I will not support in any manner whatsoever the immediate re-introduction of victims into a religious environment until those victims have traveled sufficiently through the healing journey of their sexual abuse and that this should be done under the advisement of the counselor. The literature and the professionals who hold the best interests of the victim as the first priority state clearly that this type of encounter should be well planned and may need many months and perhaps years of intensive counseling and repair before such encounters are introduced into the healing process. This point is often not reached until most aspects of the secular world and the crimes have been resolved according to the law and their natural feelings. None of us are at this point. Many of us are a long way from that. The encounter will be medically harmful to most who attend.
I am offended that I have assisted in this toxicity and I unreservedly apologize to any individual whom I have encouraged to involve themselves with these toxic and inhumane practices until it can be clinically shown to be in the best interests of the victim at this point in time.
I strongly recommend that no religious representatives be permitted a place or a voice at the upcoming MVC meeting and that all further attempts to do so should be denied until it can be clinically shown to be in the best interests of the victims. I strongly urge those who hold their own best interest and their own well being to be paramount to voice their opinion on this to IGFA.
I can be contacted on 0756412311
JohnB
Subject: Collective Meeting
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:03:51 +1000
Recent conversations and the inability to obtain clear information in regards the legality, the criminality, the veracity and the medical veracity of activities of IGFA through simply being brushed aside have resulted in my withdrawing any support for the current program. Whilst many points can be raised in regards this the most important and the most urgent is the issue of the immediate reintroduction of clergy and church into the healing environment of survivors of clergy sexual and other abuses. This is recognized and clearly understood to be highly dangerous and shows a cavalier approach to the well being of those said to be supported. It is of the utmost importance that you ensure you are at a suitable stage in your recovery before you undertake such a huge step. The risks of being re-triggered and re-thrust back into your abuse or extremely high for the most recovered among us. The risk for those who have not had a healthy support is far higher.
Survivor advocates across the globe openly scorn and denounce this as deliberate endangerment and they clearly state that such encounters at any early stage of recovery should be completely avoided as further harm to the victim is the only possible outcome. There is a high risk of bringing on serious psychosis and mental trauma in some survivors. I am not aware of any screening having taken place or of any information showing how this is a part of a planned healing process. There is no information informing victims of the personal risks they take in such an encounter. This quite clearly is not in the best interests of a collective of victims (I have to admit to a desire to throw up at being named a victim once again here) let alone any individual. The best interest of victims and survivors is not being served nor are proper procedures in place to ensure no harm comes to 'victims' else they will have been used once again to serve some other purpose.
>From a support and advocacy perspective this is the most unprofessional and potentially the most damaging in a healing sense that could be thrust upon a survivor of clergy sexual or other abuses. This is not only unprofessional it clearly steps across the ethical boundaries in regards the psychological repair of human beings who have been exposed to almost total abandonment by both their state and their religion. To bring a representative of the organization into this upcoming meeting of a body who has failed and does not yet have any answers is simply yet another comprehensive abuse of trust is clearly and simply unethical and will be psychologically detrimental to the majority of those seeking to overcome the problems brought about by their sexual abuse.
The healing the Catholic church offers is one of re-embracing the church and to offer them forgiveness for our sin of being an available and vulnerable child. Each of us experiences the lifelong harm and the destruction of our relationships, the failure of business ventures and failure in almost all areas of life due to the corrupt practices of the catholic church and those who helped build and maintain the systems which barred us in so many areas of our life along with forcing us to live entirely against our natural instincts of self preservation and in regards bringing up our children safely. Apparently it is assumed that this particular cleric has all the answers and his presence makes you impervious to any further injury.
We each have endured family destruction and the personal agony of having to come to terms with the reality of our lives of the fraud and the deceptions repeatedly used against us and here members are being asked to quickly re-embrace
At this stage in the church's enlightenment in regards its complicity in the wholesale sexual abuse of children whose psychological well being is cast aside in the most cavalier and improper way to serve some purpose other than the protection, the support and the best interest of each individual victim appears to have been resolved sufficiently well in both this clerics mind and the management of IGFA that this poses no danger to those victims present at the meeting.
The Church currently has not acknowledged its role, priest, bishops,cardinals, laity groups, vested interest groups within the church are still all guessing and pointing simply because they do not understand the problem or how to treat victims. None has provided a clear blue-print of recovery as none has defined it beyond this immediate return to your abuser mentality. They do not know what the true step sto a successful journey through the healing process is. All they can offer is to bring you back into the same thing that abused you and your parents and your brothers and sisters and your friends and made them suffer along with all of us. Immoral, unethical and diabolical in the insistence that this can in any way be in the best interest of the victims. There may well be pressing needs at the moment, however risking each and every victims life and their mental condition is not a medically sound or medically appropriate step.
The best interest of survivors is not served through an immediate re-introduction back into the environs of the church and its practices.It is medically and psychologically unsound to expect that a victim in this environment will not encounter psychological triggers or feel intimidated or feel unable to express freely and fully their fears and concerns whilst a member of the clergy sits in the same room. There is no proper plan beyond that in this purported healing process. If this is the healing process on offer by IGFA I strongly recommend that you discuss with your counselor before participating. We all know what the experience of being re-abused and re-dumped back into our abuse is like and how that affects us for months and sometimes years and how it goes on to destroy another part of our lives each time. Ask your counselor if you are ready for this experience and ask them if it is in your best interest to participate at this stage in your recovery.
My own recent experience of that put me off my feet for more than a fortnight. As a result of many past attempts at discussions and understandings and my attempts to obtain answers and information as to the veracity of some circumstances I found myself facing another round of days reeling from the abandonment and the cavalier approach. I disabled the internet service I had been providing to IGFA and informed them that I was out. My reason for doing this is that IGFA are fully aware that I will not support in any manner whatsoever the immediate re-introduction of victims into a religious environment until those victims have traveled sufficiently through the healing journey of their sexual abuse and that this should be done under the advisement of the counselor. The literature and the professionals who hold the best interests of the victim as the first priority state clearly that this type of encounter should be well planned and may need many months and perhaps years of intensive counseling and repair before such encounters are introduced into the healing process. This point is often not reached until most aspects of the secular world and the crimes have been resolved according to the law and their natural feelings. None of us are at this point. Many of us are a long way from that. The encounter will be medically harmful to most who attend.
The provided process is both medically unsound and unethical. The current method is toxic.
I am offended that I have assisted in this toxicity and I unreservedly apologize to any individual whom I have encouraged to involve themselves with these toxic and inhumane practices until it can be clinically shown to be in the best interests of the victim at this point in time.
I strongly recommend that no religious representatives be permitted a place or a voice at the upcoming MVC meeting and that all further attempts to do so should be denied until it can be clinically shown to be in the best interests of the victims. I strongly urge those who hold their own best interest and their own well being to be paramount to voice their opinion on this to IGFA.
I can be contacted on 0756412311
JohnB
Subject: Collective Meeting
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:03:51 +1000
Dear Friends,
Melbourne Victims Collective Meeting
10 am -12:30 pm
Friday 28thMay 2010
Lewis Holdway
20 Queen St, Melbourne
(Please register your arrival with Karen at ground floor reception and she will direct you.)
The MCV continues to be a very unique and historical initiative which is making its presence felt through many social and Church channels for the betterment of survivors. Our charter continues its mission and is educating politicians, clergy and parishioners, the media, police and lawyers. This is a powerful mission to be engaged in. It has been some time since we have been able to convene a formal meeting and we wish to apologise for this.
In Good Faith and Associates has been under enormous advocacy pressure with broad demands and very little financial and assistance resources. Helen has been unwell from November last year but is regaining her momentum. IGFA’s lack of financial resources to cover its extensive workload has necessarily placed restraints on Helen’s availability to consult with all members of the Melbourne Victims Collective. She apologises for any stress that this might have placed on members.
Strategies for finding necessary resources to continue supporting the MVC are underway. Helen will discuss this at the next meeting.
Further points for discussion include...
· welcome to five new members
· scheduling regular Collective meetings to enhance MVC relationships, improve communication and encourage further joint and individual actions in the Collective’s political, pastoral, education and media strategies;
· exploration of potential further legal action for the MCV and its individual members e.g. potential for individual writs;
· report back from members working with the media requests ;
· outline of world clergy abuse situation and the MVC position in this;
· outline of current Melbourne Archdiocese changes and our contribution to this;
· ideas for implementing future political initiatives of the MVC.
· Other issues from members
Fr Kevin Dillon has also been invited to attend this meeting, as he has been providing pastoral advocacy, welfare and acting as spiritual adviser to many members of the MVC.
Please RSVP to Pam Krstic or IGFA as soon as possible and let us know if you will be present
or, for those interstate, if you need a conference call booked for you to participate.
Please phone or email Pam Krstic or Helen Last, prior to the meeting, with any items or issues you may wish to discuss or have raised at this meeting.
We look forward to seeing (and hearing) you there!
Pam Krstic
Tel 0410 859 059pkrstic@optusnet.com.au
per
The Melbourne Victims Collective
Helen Last
Director
In Good Faith and Associates
PO Box 38, North Melbourne, 3051
Phone: 03 9326 5991
Fax: 03 9329 6517
Email: helen.last@igfa.com.au
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For immediate global redistribution
Date: 20 June 2010
Location: Melbourne Australia
Topic: Matters resultant from the failed Towards Healing process and the 'Melbourne process'
Issue: The safety and the well being of survivors of sexual and other abuses carried out by Catholic clergy and and subsequent obstruction of justice and reckless endangerment of vulnerable people in a purported environment of care.
Re: Letter in regards attempts to raise safety and well being issue Melbourne Victims Collective
Dear Paul,
re the attached - please see below
17697llh-cli.2010.05.21e.doc
Our Ref: RCB:MA:17697
31 May 2010
Private & Confidential
Please refer to previous correspondence (several) in this regard where privacy and confidentiality has been waived and rejected.
Mr John Brown
12 Carlton Street
TOOWOOMBA QLD 4350
By Email
sept12009@ymail.com
Dear Sir
Melbourne Victims Collective
Isn't that a terrible name, Sigmund Freud must be rolling in his grave over that er slip of tongue.
We are the Lawyers to the Melbourne Victims Collective. We have seen the emails
which you have recently sent to the Collective email list dating back to 15 May 2010.
We are concerned at some of the content contained in these emails, and that this
information has been spread far and wide without consent.
Paul,these are both obvious statements of fact. You received copies as your office was included on the email list. This should be obvious to all and really should not be necessary to be stated here. Re information being spread far and wide - that too should be obvious if 'far and wide' can be taken to encompass the English speaking world along with some Spanish, French and Italian speaking regions of the world. As to requiring consent none was sought as none was required.
You are entitled to your opinion and the writer is happy for you to continue to send
your emails to him.
Thanks for that,it is truly appreciated to see that I can contribute towards your happiness through a simple email although the circumstances of placing survivors at such a high risk does make this a more serious issue than just your happiness.
However, you have not obtained the permission of Collective members to send these
emails and risk them being illegal as Spam under Federal Law. You therefore should
desist from sending any further emails to any Collective related email address
without the express permission of each recipient.
Re the 'risk' mentioned here. Please refer to previous correspondence where you will find that these emails are specifically exempted from the SPAM Act under Federal law therefore I see no purpose in your statement after that erroneous point save perhaps for some attempt at legalistic wording and the erroneous assumption that express permission is required to alert individuals of an imminent risk to their personal safety. It was appreciated that you did not make any attempt to imply that these email addresses had been stolen or illegally obtained as we both understand that the legal obligation in that regard sits squarely with IGFA. No doubt the transgressor will be publicly humiliated and admonished in the usual practiced manner of the church and its adherents which really will do nothing towards the legal obligation in regards that. Naturally one would expect the usual that no responsibility will be taken there and that further disinformation in that regard will follow as has been the previous religious practice in similar circumstances where much ado and flapping can made in regards this which usually only goes to further waste the resources of our police services and others with important duties to perform due to the provision of further false and misleading information to the uninformed as another means of digressing further from the important aspects of duty of care, moral, ethical and legal responsibility towards the safety and well being of survivors of clergy abuse and other religiously motivated or engendered crimes.
We note that some people have expressly asked you to cease emailing them. This
worsens your situation in terms of Spam.
Noted, see above.
We have also been informed that you taped a conversation with a person from
Geoffrey Robertson Q.C's office. While our understanding is that it is not illegal to
tape a telephone conversation between two people without permission,there are
extremely strict rules surrounding publication of such information to a third party
contained in the Surveillance Devices Act (Cth). We caution you to be careful to
comply with the provisions of this Act.
Your caution is unnecessary in this instance as a reading of the relevant acts will provide you with suitable references.
We also ask you to respect the rights of In Good Faith and Associates,who report
that their website has been disrupted, and that your emails and the information in
them make disparaging comments about them.
re:The IGF A website. As you no doubt are aware this service was provided as a service to IGFA in good faith by myself under an arrangement which required their veracity, honesty and the protection of the well being and the welfare of survivors at both a professional and medically sound level. Since the breach of that good faith due to disinformation and other dubious and questionable activities by IGFA and due to the cavalier actions which placed survivors of clergy sexual abuse at a known and recognized risk through the actions of IGFA and after a number of attempts to address this issue failed to illicit a mature and considered response the services were terminated according to my original agreement with IGFA. One can imagine the hubris and indignation at coming attempts to publicly distort these facts and the moral indignation and attempts to minimize or digress from the safety issues at the core of this matter. I whole heartedly agree that no respect was shown in regards these despicable actions which have a known history of triggering a great deal of distress and more among survivors of trauma. No respect was implied or attempted after repeated attempts to raise this safety issue with IGFA were repeatedly and unprofessionally cast aside with seemingly no regard for the welfare and the well being of survivors.
We urge you to have regard to the laws that apply to publication of information about
people so that your important message is not disregarded by people who become
offended at your publications.
Thank you for your acknowledgment that the personal safety and well being of survivors and their treatment in line with sound medical practice is an important message; a message which isat the core of and on point in this matter. This should assist IGFA to acknowledge that aspect else they may be tempted to fall back into old habits of deeming insanity, claiming medically unsound etc as has occurred in the past else they may been seen to be conducting themselves in the same cavalier and inhumane manner as the catholic church in this regard. Unfortunately all too often today we understand that anyone with any level of education can hang a shingle to promote themselves as an advocate, however as you would be well aware this does not exonerate them from the responsibilities of a duty of care towards those they may conduct business with.
Finally, we suspect that you had a role in forwarding on the Notice of the Collective
meeting and perhaps adding some material by way of attachment referring to the
Commissioner.
To assist in regards confirming or alleviating your suspicions it would be helpful if a copy of the material referred to was provided else we are both left with mere speculations which may lead to theories of conspiracy or even idle gossip. I am sure this will at some point in the future take up some considerable time and most likely will be just one of the many points raised to engender mock outrage, diversion and digression as a means of evading the issues once again in regards the tardy and dangerous activity of placing survivors in a known dangerous and high risk situation. This usually works for the deceived and assist in keeping them compliant for a while as it seemingly helps to deceptively place the perpetrator of these high risk breaches as the victim of some obscure conspiracy or personal conflict when the issue is and remains the matter of the responsibility and obligation to ensure the personal safety and the personal protection of the well being of survivors of sexual and other abuses by clergy through the application of sound practices in such circumstances.
Please be aware that such actions caused the Commissioner to engage Lawyers to
write a letter to some Collective Representatives and ourselves demanding retraction
of defamatory statements published. You might have intended such a response, but
we request that you withdraw any such publication you might have made and desist
from linking the Collective or our office with such actions in the future as we have
had to bear the cost of responding to the Lawyers' demands.
Is this reference to 'the commissioner' here a reference to Peter O'Callaghan who fraudulently represents himself as an independent commissioner and his publicly questioned activity of advising known sexually abusive priests of police investigations? A reference or citation here may help to identify what you are referring to here and may also bring some clarity in regards your statement re intent. re linking 'the Collective' to your office:this is information that is freely available in the public domain therefore I see no reason why it should be necessary in some manner to deny what is after all public knowledge.
We understand that you are in no position to donate money to pay for the legal work
needed for the Collective in this situation.
Paul, I made no request for you to conduct legal work in regards this matter and I can confirm that I would under no circumstance consider a donation towards any work for the Collective. IGFA or any associated organizations whilst survivors are placed at such a high risk of re-traumatizing as this is not only a morally and ethically unsound practice it is also a legally unsound practice as many previous legal actions and findings show.
If you wish to discuss any of these matters, please contact Paul Holdway.
Yours faithfully
LEWIS HOLDWAY LAWYERS
per Paul Holdway
Released in interest of the safety, care and protection of children and in the interests of the human community and of all peoples of the globe apposed to the denial of justice to those sexually abused and in the interests of survivors of crime carried out against those of belief and non belief in the religious systems which have and continue to abuse and to deny justice to the millions of its victims.
The safety and the well being of all must be of the first priority.There can be no safe path towards healing whilst human safety is cast aside. Healing cannot begin in an unsafe and unsound toxic environment where survivor safety and well being is secondary or non existent.
Released by John Brown Toowoomba Australia.
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Myth #2 - Most sexual abuse of boys is perpetrated by homosexual males.
Pedophiles who molest boys are not expressing a homosexual orientation any more than pedophiles who molest girls are practicing heterosexual behaviors. While many child molesters have gender and/or age preferences, of those who seek out boys, the vast majority are not homosexual. They are pedophiles.
